Is James Stewart Cheating?

Discussion in 'Supercross/Motocross' started by Robert, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    AMA rules say no traction control but clearly James is running wheel sensors. So should the officials force the issue and tell him to remove them and the computer they are attached too?
     
  2. Andrew

    Andrew e pluribus, unum

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    Is there a rule against data capture?
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    Nope. But how does one prove the true purpose? Satellite receiver on the back of the bike, wheel sensors hidden from view. Could mean live fuel / air tweaking during the race and traction control. Could be seen as an unfair advantage by the privateers.

    I say do R&D off the track.
     
  4. never2old

    never2old I'm 75 until I put my helmet on...

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    If you call being the fastest guy on the planet I'd say yes he's cheating :laughing
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    That's what I don't get. Why flirt with the rules and possibly get disqualified for something like this? Teams are going to bitch and rightfully so. Keep the R&D tricks off the racetrack. No reason to have wheel sensors other then TC. Data collection my ass.
     
  6. never2old

    never2old I'm 75 until I put my helmet on...

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    I would suspect those bikes are inspected by the AMA prior to the races. If so and they pass teck I wouldn't see how he would be cheating :idunno
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    Like Andrew alluded too, probably told tech the sensors are for data collection only.
     
  8. Andrew

    Andrew e pluribus, unum

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    They probably *are* for data collection only.
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    Don't be silly Andrew.
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    I like Stewarts answer to the traction control question. "man you guys are crazy" "obviously it didn't help, I think you guys were looking at a piece of dirt"

    He wasn't supprised the questioned was asked and he didnt deny it was TC. Just basically ignored the question and smiled.

    :lol looks like more drama.
     
  11. MXercise

    MXercise i wanna ride

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    Eric
    :eek Just off the press:

    AMA officials located traction control device on James Stewart, it was located hidden in his right wrist and cleverly disguised as a wrist muscle which in turn connects to the brain. :lol
     
  12. plumber

    plumber Well-Known Member

    That joke circulated years back when Mladin was accused of hiding TC. AFAIK they never found it on his bike either.
     
  13. aciurczak

    aciurczak slower would be backwards

    It came down to a definition of traction control. They weren't running wheel sensors, but they were doing rate of change torque management for years. Bazzaz developed all of that tech while leading the electronics work on Mladin's bike. When people were bitching about him having TC, he had TC.
     
  14. Kitty

    Kitty Not a Re Cycler

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    I can't believe Erin Bates just outright asked him about his TC right there on the podium. Even if he had it, did she really think he would cop to cheating in front of the crowd on national television? What a dummy.

    I think that the tech inspectors would catch it if he had it. If he had something disallowed on his bike, you would think the officials would forbid him from racing until it was taken off. Bubba Stewart is a big deal, but not so big a deal that he gets his own set of rules.
     
  15. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    Bubba is not the only one using sensors and GPS. Scott had it on his bike last year and both Bubba and another rider had them on last week in A1.

    The better question is are the factory teams using traction control? If they are that would be a great advancement in technology but against the rules and as such cheating.

    I think Erin was correct in asking the question, just maybe not the right timing. Either way we havent heard the last of this.

    BTW to respond to the superbike question, yes Mlladin had TC when it was illegal and everyone knew it but it was hard to prove. Anyone in the stands could hear it and yet he always maintained he didn't have it, that it was only for data aquisition.

    Sounds like the same story to me. I personally feel Bubba is being forced to put it on his bike by corporate management and that it is indeed TC. The AMA should ask all bikes to take the sensors off, including the O2 sensors and fuel management systems.

    It is an unfair advantage and makes it nearly impossible for the non factory teams to compete, which is boring as ****. Bubba lapped riders all the way to ninth place, is this because he is super fast or using technology? Hard to say until those items are removed.

    If Bubba is that fast then he doesn't need all the tech crap and should be happy to remove it to squash the debate.
     
  16. sidewazzz

    sidewazzz You dirty monkey

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    TC in racing = Steriods in baseball:2cents

    Yes he's using it and those sure as hell aren't "wheel data collectors":squid
     
  17. rallyguy

    rallyguy Well-Known Member

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Wait, didnt you sort of slam Scotty for posting a rumor about a week ago?
     
  18. sidewazzz

    sidewazzz You dirty monkey

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    Let's see

    #1
    Heard one of the big three went down!
    Who?
    I dont know, not sure if it's even true!

    #2
    Is JS cheating?
    Why do you ask?
    Well he has "wheel sensors" and everyone thinks he's running TC. When he was asked about if he has TC, he didn't answer the question.

    If you can't see the difference I dont know what to tell you:rolleyes
     
  19. Robert

    Robert Life is good

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    No I slammed him for not putting up details about the rumor. :lol
     
  20. RobertHaas

    RobertHaas Gone to Facebook

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    So exactly how in the **** can you run traction control on a dirt bike?

    I mean have you seen the roost being generated and what the **** happens in the air when the rider needs to spin the rear wheel mid flight to adjust the bikes attitude?

    This is horse **** and if you understand that a bike with electronic fuel injection and a electronic slipper/recluse clutch needs wheels speed sensors to allow the mechanics the tools to do their jobs. They remove the sensors during the heats and qualifying and the only thing the video showed was the aluminum bung on the swing arm where the optical eye was mounted during practice/testing. It is welded to the rear caliper mount so it ain't designed to be removed (the mount for the OS) so they ain't trying to hide ****.

    The commentary from the other teams radio implying that the mechanic turned something on on Stewert's bike just before the start of the race was more then likely a mechanical switch that sets the engine up to idle with an enriched mixture during its warm up.

    The team bitching about Stewart by the way,... was the privateer Yamaha sqaud run by Gibbs (sp?) they are a bunch of crybabies because Yamaha Factory Support chose San Manuel over the Joe Gibbs squad Last season and they are still butt hurt over it.
     
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