CIA Involvement In French Elections - Wikileaks

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  1. Jack

    Jack They call me fantong.

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    CIA espionage orders for the 2012 French presidential election

    16 February, 2017

    All major French political parties were targeted for infiltration by the CIA's human ("HUMINT") and electronic ("SIGINT") spies in the seven months leading up to France's 2012 presidential election. The revelations are contained within three CIA tasking orders published today by WikiLeaks as context for its forth coming CIA Vault 7 series. Named specifically as targets are the French Socialist Party (PS), the National Front (FN) and Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) together with current President Francois Hollande, then President Nicolas Sarkozy, current round one presidential front runner Marine Le Pen, and former presidential candidates Martine Aubry and Dominique Strauss-Khan.

    More here: https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-elections-2012/
     
  2. arnaud

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    So it's cute Wikileaks is now telling us about the 2012 elections, and the CIA in particular. Once again, Assange looks like he's doing Putin's work.

    Because it's been known for weeks that the Russian intelligence services have been meddling with the upcoming French elections - Putin's preferred candidate is far right wing Marine Le Pen. I find it ironic Wikileaks is reporting on the CIA's alleged involvement, but has been silent on the Russian side. Russian government-controlled media has been spreading rumors and fake news about Macron - Le Pen's centrist challenger - for weeks now, and Western European intelligence has found the Russians are also behind many smearing campaigns favoring Le Pen.

    BTW, having covered French politics in the 90s - and being a student of history - it's always been well-known that both the CIA and Russian services have been interfering with French politics. Labor union Lutte ouvrière or the early incarnation of the student union UNEF were notoriously CIA-backed in their beginnings, for instance, in order to counter the USSR-financed unions and French Communist Party.

    However, the scale of the latest Russian infiltration and misinformation campaign is unprecedented. It follows the exact same scheme as the one Trump benefited from.

    It's frankly rather shamefully transparent on the part of Assange to try to deflect what's happening right now by fingering the other side about stuff that happened four years ago. Doesn't make anything the CIA did right, but then I find it rather outrageous that once again, Assange shows he's a de facto Russian agent.
     
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  3. Andrew

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    Assange will be out on the streets very shortly.

    It'll be a race to see which country's security service can bundle him into a van first.
     
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  4. gino831

    gino831 Well-Known Member

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    He needs to be very concerned about folks carrying umbrellas.
     
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  5. Jack

    Jack They call me fantong.

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    Why do you feel that Putin's candidate would be on the right? Usually the more conservative candidate is more hawkish, vs the left more lamb-like.
     
  6. arnaud

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    Macron is center right. Le Pen is far right.

    Le Pen is a huge admirer and supporter of Putin - and Trump (she was in Trump Tower just weeks ago paying a visit).
     
  7. Andrew

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    Marine Le Pen has the same bad blood her father had (and her niece has it too).
     
  8. TedBell

    TedBell Well-Known Member

    Good to see Arnaud posting again. Welcome back.
     
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  9. treelogger

    treelogger Well-Known Member

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    No, for two reasons.

    One: While Putin is actively meddling in the outcome (just as he did in the US elections), so far the CIA has only been found to be spying on the election and candidates. There is a big difference between trying to find out what's happening, and changing what's going to happen. Honestly, I find both despicable, but active interference is much much worse.

    Second: We don't need Assange to know that the Russians are actively meddling in western countries. That's obvious from what we already know. However, it is surprising to many people at what level the US agencies are engaged in espionage (and perhaps in covert operations) in supposedly friendly western countries. We all know about what the CIA did in the 50s in Central American banana republics, but doing it in France (or for that matter Britain or Germany) today is different. From a country that walks around pretending to be the world policeman for democracy and respect of rights, that's unexpected, therefore newsworthy. That's something where Assange's documents can really shine a light on a dark area.

    Perhaps because Wikileaks doesn't have access to leaked Russian documents? Perhaps because the Russians don't leak so much, because they know that leaking leads to death, in their political culture?

    But first and foremost: Neither Assange nor the WikiLeaks organization is under any ethical requirement to be an impartial journalist. They can distribute whatever material they want.

    Perhaps well known to you, but it is clearly not well known that the CIA has been interfering in the 2012 French election. And the examples you bring up are from decades ago.

    By the way, I completely understand that Assange (and Snowden) have a certain amount of hate for (a) the US clandestine agencies, and (b) President Obama and Senator Clinton. Both have done their utmost to make Assange's and Snowden's life miserable. I respect their right to perform anti-US activism, even if I don't agree with them on everything. Even if they do Putin's work, so be it. The root cause of the problem is that US foreign policy (a complete mess) and its agencies (with their dubious practices) have created a situation where simply reporting on their actions is already damaging to US interests.
     
  10. arnaud

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    Absolutely, but while I gave them credit with the DNC email leak at the time, there's been a clear pattern - and this is the latest example. Wikileaks claims to be about transparency, but they haven't exactly been forward. Assange keeps denying the DNC email hack came from Russia even though all intel agencies confirmed it.
     
  11. treelogger

    treelogger Well-Known Member

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    Did Assange really say that the DNC e-mail wasn't hacked by Russian intelligence agencies? As far as I've heard (and I haven't looked too carefully), all Assange has said that WikiLeaks didn't receive the documents from Russian agencies. Note how that makes a big difference in creating a likely scenario: Russian government hackers get the DNC e-mails, they then launch careful leaks in the western press, and WikiLeaks gets a copy from someone in the press.

    What the US "body politic" (both the decision makers, in Foggy Bottom and those non-existing cities in Maryland, and the voters) need to understand: If the rhetoric and the actions of the US are so awful that simply exposing them causes damage to US interests, then the problem isn't the fact that they are being exposed, but the underlying decisions. If leaking the DNC e-mail caused Senator Clinton to lose the election, those e-mails shouldn't have been written in the first place, and having written those e-mails the democratic party and Senator Clinton deserved to lose the election.
     
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  12. jcrides

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    I might have missed it, but as far as I know the CIA did not "confirm" the Russians hacked the DNC, instead they concluded with "high confidence" Russia did it. The evidence the CIA presented was so laughable that even the FBI said it could not be used in court.
     
  13. Jack

    Jack They call me fantong.

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    If Russia could hack the DNC, then the Israeli's could also. If the Israeli's can, then it's child's play for the Chinese. If the Chinese did it....
     
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